This week I’ll sit down with Ganes Kesari, Chief Decision Scientist at Gramener, the company behind Gramex and an innovative rising star. Ganes is a contributor in leading magazines such as Forbes, TechCrunch, Entrepreneur, and The Enterprisers Project.

He won the 2020 CSuite Award for best blog by a business leader. He has taught at Princeton University and Indian Business School and has been invited to speak at TED, O’Reilly Strata, Microsoft, and Intel events.

Video Link:

Audio Link:—Ganes-Kesari-e133a2k

Timestamps of the Conversation:

00:00 intro

03:04 Gaining Business Value from AI Initiative, Establishing Baselines

08:41 Human vs AI performance baseline, Long Term Benefits of AI

10:30 Netflix’s Recommendation Engine Competition, Failed ROI and Model Accuracy

15:40 GCP losses, Data and Model Drifts, Bulls Eye in a Moving Target

19:40 Data Maturity Assessment Tool, 5 Stage Roadmap

23:20 Logging in Personal Journal, 4 years, 120,000 data points.

25:40 From Siloed Modules to End to End Flow, Gramex Unified Architecture

29:30 Gramener Game Plan, Services vs Platform

34:28 Using ModelHandler to Furnish Realtime Business Visualizations

36:51 WorldBank Data Visualisation of Technology and Entrepreneurship Report, Data Story Component

42:33 Data Journalism at Guardian, Character and Plot Visualisation of Hindu Epic Saga Mahabharata, Shakespeare’s Sonnets, Hans Rosling and GapMinder

47:18 Airtel Contract Deals

49:51 IITs, IIMs, Geeks and Humor

54:22 Education in India, SAT scores and Path Ahead

58:50 Industry-Academic Partnerships and Practical Experience

01:03:00 AI Adoption Pain Points, Cybersecurity, Regulation, Fairness and Explainability

01:07:00 CNA Financial $40M ransom payment and AI Adoption Correlation

01:13:00 Increasing Bain & Company’s Net Promote Score for a Computer Manufacturer

01:20:19 Backing in Himalayas and Monastery in Bhutan

01:25:25 AI in Biodiversity, Rhinoceros, Penguins and Whale Shark as Endangered Species

01:30:01 Google Vertex AI, Alteryx, Knime vs Gramex, Future Strategy

01:35:30 Slidesense, Business Reports and Powerpoint Integration

01:39:26 Explaining DeepLearning to your Daughter, Whitehat Jr Scam

01:45:00 How Technology is changing Social Landscape

01:47:26 Chess Champion, Garry Kasparov and DeepBlue Game

01:51:30 Chess and IQ, Narrow Intelligence and Transferability

01:53:01 Tesla Killing Jaywalker and AI’s Mindless Application

01:55:00 G7 Summit 2020 and AI war between US & China

01:58:33 Smart Twins, Enterprise Mass Production & Gramex

Ganes’ website:

Personal website:

Full Episodes Playlist link:

Clips Playlist link:

Apple Podcast Link:



Minhaaj Rehman is CEO & Chief Data Scientist of Psyda Solutions, an AI-enabled academic and industrial research agency focused on psychographic profiling and value generation through machine learning and deep learning.


✩ Website –

✩ Minhaaj Podcast –

✩ Twitter –

✩ Facebook –

✩ ResearchGate –

✩ Linkedin –

✩ Buy Me a Coffee (I love it!) –

Episode Sponsors

Show Notes


Related Episodes